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Re: [N8VEM: 8298] Home Computer update



I've been using switchers on all my boards. EMI noise should be less if the regulator is in a corner away from data traces. I don't know about current consumption but the 1A regulators only get slightly warm. With respect to PCB area, looking at a board design I did a few years back with a 7805, I think a 7805 plus heatsink might take more space than a switcher that does not need a heatsink.

Off board supply is a very good option. There are regulated switching wallwarts around now that make the task trivial. Or an off board power brick like you say.

Cheers, James

On 14/11/2010 3:17 AM, Andrew Lynch wrote:

Hi Max!  Thanks!  I looked into James DRACblade power circuitry.  He is using an LM2575T for 5V output.  The part is able to produce 1A output.  At Digikey they have many similar parts which support 5V @ 3A output like these

 

LM2756

LM2676

LM2670

LM2599

LM2576

LM2585

LM2586

LM2596

LM2673

 

I think any of them would work.  The switching supplies all seem to need an external inductor, Schottky diode, and a couple of large value capacitors.  The good thing about switchers is they are more power efficient.  The bad news is they eat up more PCB space and have more EMI noise.  The power circuit now is a power jack, the LM323 VR, 2 small capacitors, and a protection diode which is space efficient although heat dissipation will be an issue I believe.

 

Right now the PCB is grinding away in the trace route optimizer getting down to a reasonable level.  It is at ~496 vias and 1690 inches overall trace length which is good progress considering it started at >730 vias and >1730 inches overall trace length.  Still, it has a long way to go.  While it is working I will investigate some ideas for possible change to a switching supply modification.

 

The other option is to just offload the power circuitry to an off board supply.  An off board supply certainly helps with the heat *and* EMI noise issues.  That would work too since we are looking at an off board supply (9VDC unregulated or 5VDC regulated) in either case.  I like to reuse those scrap laptop and printer “power bricks” that are so cheap on eBay.  I have several scrap units laying around.

 

Thanks and have a nice day!

Andrew Lynch

 


From: n8...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n8...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Max Scane
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:12 PM
To: n8...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [N8VEM: 8290] Home Computer update

 

Hi Andrew,

James has some good success with switching regulators on his mini board and the DRACblade.  Maybe check his schematic.

Regards,

Max

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Lynch <lyn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi John!  Yes, on board voltage regulators generate a lot of heat even when the load is light.  Driving a heavy load really cranks out the wattage and they can get too hot to touch and probably should not be next to electronics.

 

The good news for using an off board 5V regulated power supply are cheap and plentiful on ebay.   Also it would take no change from the current PCB design.  Just plug in VCC and GND into the appropriate VR pins and remove/don’t install the 9VDC power connector.  The two wires feed to the power supply into the board directly.  Nice and easy!

Something like this would be ideal

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-3A-15W-Regulated-Switching-Power-Supply-CCTV-DVR-/370454060491?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5640c85dcb

 

Thanks and have a nice day!

Andrew Lynch

 


From: n8...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n8...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Coffman
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:16 PM
To: n8...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [N8VEM: 8288] Home Computer update

 



On 11/11/2010 05:21 AM, Andrew Lynch wrote:

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2.  Is using a 9VDC power supply even feasible with this design?  The VR is able to handle 3A but the 9VDC unregulated supply will have to carry at least 3A input to work.  This would have to be a laptop or printer power brick not a cheap wall wart.  The alternative is to feed 5V regulated into the board from an off board supply.  This will save some PCB room and is next on my list for elimination if we need more space.


My own experience with on-board linear regulators is with S-100.  They generate a lot of unnecessary heat, in my opinion.  Small switching power supplies can be had for under $20, and I think that that is a better route to take.  Just use good heavy traces to distribute power around what is a power-hungry board.

--John

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