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Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8247] Tue, 26 January 2021 04:55 Go to next message
ddevault is currently offline  ddevault
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Hi, first post, insert introduction here

I'm building the KISS-68030, and one of the most difficult chips for me to find was this one. I finally got it, but I only needed one and ended up with 25. If anyone is looking for this chip, I can definitely hook you up. Also, does anyone have some tips for powering the ECB Backplane-8? I'm having a hard time finding the socket.
Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8251 is a reply to message #8247] Tue, 26 January 2021 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You already have the chips, but it seems like 74S133 would also have been OK. It draws more power, but is a little bit faster in terms of propagation time.

Discrete logic keeps getting harder to find. Each time I visit Digikey and Mouser the selection dwindles. There's probably decent money sitting in our parts boxes. I was gathering parts to build a Mr. Carlson's Lab capacitor leakage tester trying to find an LM3915 - these are now difficult to find and expensive. Turns out I have ten of them, along with ten LM3916!
Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8256 is a reply to message #8251] Thu, 28 January 2021 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It will be interesting to see what "retrobrewers" will be doing in 10, 20 years.

Presumably most of the stuff we play with now will be non-existant.

Will the hobby die or will it move onto more advanced technologies?

One of the nice things about through hole components is the consistancy of footprints. When moving to SMD the range seems much wider.

Interestingly, retro parts supply is insignificant compared to this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-01-25/the-world -is-dangerously-dependent-on-taiwan-for-semiconductors

Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8257 is a reply to message #8247] Fri, 29 January 2021 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ebay search "molex power pcb mount"

Tonnes on there.

AliExpress

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That store ( https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1264152?spm=a2g0o.detail.10 00002.2.18f2773eeHnUVGWink also sells the DIN 41612 connectors too.

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Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8266 is a reply to message #8257] Sun, 31 January 2021 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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b1ackmai1er wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 02:44
Ebay search "molex power pcb mount"
Aha, thanks! It just takes 12V DC, right?

quarterturn wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 08:42
Discrete logic keeps getting harder to find. Each time I visit Digikey and Mouser the selection dwindles. There's probably decent money sitting in our parts boxes. I was gathering parts to build a Mr. Carlson's Lab capacitor leakage tester trying to find an LM3915 - these are now difficult to find and expensive. Turns out I have ten of them, along with ten LM3916!
I wonder if it would be helpful to have some kind of common chip inventory, like the board inventory but for more discrete parts. Could be helpful just to keep track of what I have in my own box!

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Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8271 is a reply to message #8266] Sun, 31 January 2021 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Holy cow, no, 5V only.

Only use 12V when overclocking.

That's a joke - use 5V only Smile
Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8278 is a reply to message #8251] Mon, 01 February 2021 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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quarterturn wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 08:42

Discrete logic keeps getting harder to find. Each time I visit Digikey and Mouser the selection dwindles. There's probably decent money sitting in our parts boxes. I was gathering parts to build a Mr. Carlson's Lab capacitor leakage tester trying to find an LM3915 - these are now difficult to find and expensive. Turns out I have ten of them, along with ten LM3916!
I don't fully agree with that. It's true that some families are dying (or already died), like the 74F or the 74S, but there are still many discrete logic chips available. Moreover, new families (like LVC for example) did appear to make 5V and 3.3V coexist.

The main issue for DIYers is that DIL versions are little by little disappearing, as the industry switched to SMD a long time ago and only a very few designs with sufficient volume still use the through-hole style.

For most of the designs I am working on (including the RBC ones), I have decided to switch to SO packages as they are very easy to find and not so hard to solder once you practice a little (and you have a decent soldering iron with a thin tip)

Benoit

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Re: Ended up with some extra 74F133N ICs for the KISS-68030 [message #8286 is a reply to message #8271] Wed, 03 February 2021 16:18 Go to previous message
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b1ackmai1er wrote on Sun, 31 January 2021 23:51
Holy cow, no, 5V only.

Only use 12V when overclocking.

That's a joke - use 5V only Smile
Erp! Good thing I asked.
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